it's a math question to anyone with google and a handout calculator. the debt is out of control. 16.4, but keep in mind that's an official made up, that's washington accounting, that does not take into account any of the liabilities attached to entitlement spending, so we've promised seniors medicaid and medicare. and promised seniors social security and those are debts and they're not included in the debt number. >> and tucker, isn't it astounding that the republicans who dug in their heels the last time around, when there was a big debt ceiling debate and this time around they said we're not going to give the president is pass, they will for three months, said they're kicking the can down the road again. this is what congress does so well, is that we have a huge looming problem, let's decide on it and deal with it in three months from now. >> tucker: and yes, it's a gimmick, but warms my heart and most american regardless of party feels the same way, if under this proposed bill congress does not cut spending and write up a budget, which they haven't